The number of PUA-inspired TV shows could be counted on two (preferably middle) fingers. Now, with The Pick Up Artist on VH1 with Mystery, we have our first series about this area and can now use another of our fingers!
This is good for pick up businesses. Think about it, why should stuff like NLP, body building, or skateboarding be bigger business? 50% of the population need this stuff at some point in their life. But the number of people that have taken live events is absolutely tiny. The amount of people that know that this is an area you can work on is absolutely tiny.
However, I do understand that some people might be concerned about this, in fact the reason i’m writing this post is because I just received this message:
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Gambler,
I have to say I really enjoy reading the posts and learning from the whole community. I’m sure that you’re aware of Mystery’s show on VH1 called The Pick Up Artist and I’m a little concerned that these methods are being given away too easily to just anyone. I’m curious on your thoughts on how the commercialization of the community will affect the Game of guys such as myself who have just begun to learning the methods by reading and studying them.
Thanks,
Mike
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So, if more people know about Pickup, that means:
1. girls will be resistant to what we do.
2. There will be much more competition for the girls, it’ll be harder to have an edge. Plus if we have a girlfriend/wife, she’ll be stolen and we’ll be mercilessly rooted out of existence!
It’s a view I used to have when I was starting out. I kept my David Deangelo stuff secret. “What are you listening to?” guys would ask and i’d always say nothing. I was scared that if others got the knowledge it would spread like wildfire and all these guys would overtake me. Now, from my new position as MPUA and boss of a seduction company, my realisations are as follows:
1. The average guy reading The Game, reading this post, or watching a TV show about pick up artists will do nothing.
-A small percentage of them will look online and find some seduction sites (like this one!)
-A small percentage of this group will take the time to read these sites and not just dismiss them.
-A small percentage of this smaller group will get some free info and try it out.
-A tiny percentage will buy products that enable them to sit at home and become great with women by sitting on their ass – newsflash: it won’t happen, you need to talk to girls, that’s why our first product is all about curing Approach Anxiety.
-An infintesimal percentage will sign up for a live event or figure things out for themselves.
The final group is the group to worry about. But it is always going to be less than .01% of the male population. If 5% of the people in the country watch a TV show, and half of those are males, and a generous 20% of those males look at a site. I can tell you that by my conversion rates – visitors/sales, that you will not see many guys at all that actually do anything about it.
Lots of people reading this blog have either done a training, or thought about it. Most of you can afford it. Why haven’t you done it, or why did you take so long? Let’s see, Fear of uncertainty? Fear of making a huge change in your life? Or maybe the one I had:
Fear of trying to make yourself better. Failing, and being in the same position as before, but without even the PROSPECT of being better?
There are many people that have had entrepreneurial ideas. How many actually start a business?
There are many people that live somewhere crappy and want to move, how many actually move?
It takes balls, it takes a lot. If you want to be a Pick Up Artist, and you actually follow-through on that dream, you will be one of a select few.
This is what I now know and you’ll know it too if you walk the same road that I did! The question to ask yourself is do you want to be good with women. Great. How badly?
PS, the girls will only get wise if you are being unnatural and using canned routines that everyone else does. No one will ever think i’m a pick up artist from watching me, they’ll just think i’m damn good. The worst thing you can do is learn the most common stuff – the stuff in the game, and the stuff on this show. Learn natural game like I teach, and unique routines like Beckster teaches and you’ll be under the radar enough. For more on unnatural vs natual, see my below post.
Interesting story Richard. That was a good way to look at it, it's good you didn't let it phase you or things could have gotten nasty.
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I've been caught when i've used a mystery line. The girl completely told me she knew it was from the show "the pick-up artist" and laughed.. i played it off the best I could saying I didn't know what she was talking about but it was obvious..
in the future I actually organized a meeting point with her before she went off to college but i got lost finding her redneck house, lol.
Yeah it was Gambler in the post who said PUA s would get caught if they used Canned material. I was reiterating it lols
I think your misunderstanding me a bit my man. I would never tell a girl in mid conversation that "hey I am a PUA" because as you say, thats giving away your secret.
What I am saying is that if a girl pulls you up on being a PUA,then use the evasive action. If she really wants to know, and bugs you for a period of time then you can admit it and be proud of who you are. If you deny it, it shows a weakness, shows your not happy with who you are , your not willing to admit your a PUA because your ashamed of it. You shouldn't be. If then she thinks your a try hard, thats her problem. You should be proud.
If you use evasive action, your not denying it, nor admitting it, which is quite clever also.
Ps I am enjoying yopur posts, they are making me think a lot!
Cheers, Noel
haha If you read my original post I mentioned how you could use evasive action, this was just his reaction. And its acceptable lols. Now weve came to agree evasive action would have been better though!
Easy misunderstanding, keep up the good work!
Noel
Relax, its just a blog lol
lol, absoluately Noel – i'm just making sure things are clear and wanted to show you that I didn't misread anything =) we are both individuals trying to come up with the best possible information and solution to issues.
Really interesting post, especially as just last night a guy in a set realised what I was up to when I opened them.
I opened a mixed 5-set with Style’s Spells opener (Im new to PU so I’m currently using this canned stuff). Anyways I was half way through the opener and one of the guys suddenly grabbed his mate and whispered something in his ear, and I KNEW he was saying something like “He’s using that line from that book ‘The Game’”. I didn’t let it phase me though and carried on and then left the group on a relatively high-note. But anways when I went back to my mates, instead of feeling a bit crap for having been sort of caught out, I kinda felt empowered! If he’s read ‘The Game’ (and read it to the end) then he’s obviously keen to learn how to attract women. But I’m the one who was actually opening sets and chatting to girls that night, he was being the typical AFC sitting and watching the girls walk by; and that left me feeling good for getting of my ass and actually doing something to improve my dating life. Like Gambler says above, only a small percentage of guys will take steps to improve themselves- and last night made me realise that Im one of the few who is actually doing something!
This an interesting topic and Gamblers post is spot on. Girls will only click on if we are using “canned material” which is generic.
I read before that a guy got “caught out” using PUA material. This guy however when asked by the girl about it just said
Look I did use a line and am studying PUA and I am proud of myself for trying to improve my life. You girls dress up to make yourselves look beautifull, the same as someone goes to the gym to make themselves more healthy, the same why I use PU materia to improve myself and my social skills. Its something I am proud off.
He later goes on to say how respectfull the girl was off him for being honest, honesty equals alpha. We sholuld not be ashamed that we are learning this material, we should be proud we are makin the effort! We should never apologise for what we are doing (unless an apology is warranted).
Girls like the fact guys are taking the time to learn this stuff. They want a guy who understands them! Well this is my take on the thing. I disagree with denying you are learning it, and I disagree that this guy is qualifying himself to the girl.
I just think this guy has self pride!
Another way one could diffuse the accusation of using PU material on a girl is to use comedy. If she says “you’ve read the game” you say,
Yeah I did and I am going enjoy seducing you, or something corny like that
OR
Use Evasive action, pretend she didn’t make a comment and plough on through, don’t acknowledge what she said and stay in your reality
Anyway
My key point is just don’t be embarrased for what your doing, be proud!
Cheers, Noel
Noel – of course that’s the only way pickup-artists are caught! by using canned materials, i’ve always known that, it’s just easier for the beginner to use canned material.
It’s better to use less and less canned material until your true and genuinely transformed.
Some good points there though Noel, for me I wasn’t embarrassed when I was found out, I actually handled it quite well and gamed her a few weeks later :-).
To conceal is not to be embarrassed, it’s to be strategically aware of the situation. If after years – if I was ever extremely close with a girl I may or may not reveal that i’m a pickup artist if she noticed I used canned material (which I hope by then i’m not ever, haha) – but other than that I wouldn’t say that I read the game and watch the show because that would seem to try-hard. You want to seem natural and free flowing. As bruce lee would put it, be like water. Instead of giving away your “jeet kune do”, just adapt and change the topic.
I definitely prefer Evasive in this situation as opposed to giving away my ‘magic trick.’
Noel -
ah, i see.
your post said, “I read before that a guy got “caught out” using PUA material. This guy however when asked by the girl about it just said
Look I did use a line and am studying PUA”
I couldn’t find anything that it was after getting asked and bugged about it..
I agree girls want an honest guy for the most part. And brutal honesty can be considered very attractive. However, in this type of case I think it’s better to be evasive, even though in some cases it may work to be brutally honest. I feel as if girls will think it’s try hard to admit it. And if she thinks that and thats how you want to be, absolutely – so be it.. a person shouldn’t be bummed.. however I definitely think that the average girl doesn’t understand pickup and doesnt understand PUA’s mindset, so it would just raise a lot more question. It may be good to explain the whole PUA mindset to a girl you are really interested in. But in general you will just get a lay or a number for further contact. Until you know a girl very well, it’s not good to bring out that your a PUA, because then she knows you as one and so does her social circle. If you blow it off and be evasive you have a better chance of raking her in so you can be honest in the future. Because let’s face it, you’re usually going to get at best a lay from a girl or a great conversation… you’re going to find that girl you want to marry one day, don’t look at every girl as honest, they need to show you they are honest before you show them. There’s so many people out there who are not genuine and not right for you as a person that you shouldn’t reveal your game too. You can be honest in every single other way but I really don’t think it’s good to be honest about this situation until the far future of relations with a woman.
Thanks Noel, i’m also enjoying your post as well. It’s good to read another dedicated indivudual’s posts. One reason why my posts tend to be interesting sometimes is because i’ve been screwed so many times by girls that I have extreme insite, the other is that i’m above ordinary intelligence… who would have though! Intelligent people having some success with women as opposed to the original alphas who controlled the world with their stupidity disease, lol
You mentioned how you could use evasive action however you spoke a lot more about being honest and direct… and I said how evasive action totally owns being honest. Because obviously both two approaches to the situation are very, very, very different…
I did read it:
“Girls like the fact guys are taking the time to learn this stuff. They want a guy who understands them! Well this is my take on the thing. I disagree with denying you are learning it, and I disagree that this guy is qualifying himself to the girl.
I just think this guy has self pride!
Another way one could diffuse the accusation of using PU material on a girl is to use comedy. If she says “you’ve read the game” you say,
Yeah I did and I am going enjoy seducing you, or something corny like that”
These examples clearly show no evasive techniques, I read a lot more on your post about being honest about being a PUA then I did about evasive techniques.
at the end of the post there was 1 sentence on Evasive… but 14 on being honest. lol.. So I did my part to explain why I believe being evasive is more effective in this situation.
Also your original post didn’t say which was the best technique…lol that’s why I explained why Evasive is better then honest approach.