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Seriously, Seriously loving this.
I’m out in a club tonight so i’m field testing everything for sure.
In general I have to be honest, I didn’t think I would get much out of the puatraining.com blog, but there is actually some genuinely good advice on here, not just the same stuff repeated every 5 minutes…
Dancefloor game definately isn’t my strongest and its something I have to work on… time to keep pushing and have some fun.
As an extra note, one problem I have on the dancefloor is either I get a makeout within around 10-30 seconds or nothing generally happens and its fun but its clear attraction isn’t there (Unless I have also met them outside of the dancefloor)
Is this a normal thing, and you just have to escalate fast on the dancefloor and go for numbers, or is there something i’m missing entirely?
Much love, Ashley/Close x
Hey Kezia,
It’s great to know a little about the woman’s perspective in these situations. It’s always good to know why women do certain things; the seduction community are too focused on what we can do to break into a situation instead of why the situation is occurring in the first place.
I find that having a couple of female wings can really be an advantage in this situation. Instead of approaching the two women alone I would probably move over with a girl. It’s always fun to try to hook them up with a friend who is a girl to see how they react! Push them out of their fake-lesbian comfort zone.
Anyway, just a quick question. What do you think about calling the girls on what they are doing? Can breaking the frame that they have created have a positive impact? Obviously it would have to be done without seeming aggressive — a little bit like the cheeky element that you where talking about.
Just thought it would be interesting to get your take on this.
Regards,
JonDoe.
I see these kind of girls every single time I go out. I definitely have to try this out.
I’m a clown kind of gamer so the ghostbusters line is great.
Its great how you talk about what everyone else does. Cause i notice that too. NEVER POINT AT THEM TO YOUR BOYS!! I always see a bunch of douchebags with drinks in there hands smiling and pointing at these girls as if they never seen girls before. So awkward, and I’m sure the girls notice it.
Ok, This has happened to me before. kezia’s methods are all great,but I would like to share with you how I do it, or should I say me and my buddy.
So the Scene is these two girls are dancing provocatively, getting attention. Most guys look, but don’t approach. If I was by myself,this would be me too. However I have a secret weapon,
I have the privilige of a great wing man. Me and my friend when we go out are half decent dancers compared to most guys. Heres what we do when we see two girls dressing like lesbos
We address the girls with a stare and fold our arms, look at them in dissapointment. This shows we aren’t phased by them.
Next step is me and my friend match them at their own game. Obviously we don’t dance like two queers, we have our own dance moves. Its really funny and Heres the link on you tube,
its from the film white chicks and in the video the move is from 2.30 minutes to 2.35 minutes (we dont flip each other over, not that good lol, we do the high 5 part, lock legs and jump in a circle)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ska0DvhEw-o
Really easy dance move, really effective and funny. Then we both fold our arms again and look at them.
Anyway they respond and usually a “funny” dance off begings, robot dance etc. we are just normal dancers and so are they, we just have fun. and then at the end of the dance off we hug the girls and tell them how fun that was and then BOOM we are in, we have broken down there lesbian ways and are talking to two hot chicks. Dancing with them, I take one girl, he takes the other etc.
Apart from being a good tactic, its great fun!!
Obviously to do this you have to “not care” what you look like on the dance floor and have fun with it. I understand it won’t work for all guys as dancing is difficult for some.
kezia, if I don’t have my wing man with me, I will be using your tactics. Great post
Cheers, Noel
Brilliant. This is a quite a common occurence when I’m out and about so its great to see something directly related to it.
I, like most horny guys, just end up thinking along the lines of, ‘cor, these guys our up for it, bet I’ll hardly have to do any work to get with them.’ It seems obvious now, but so much of mine and most other guys game could be improved by simply taking 30 seconds out and thinking, “why are they doing this? What would make me be the one to fill her needs?” intead of just dancing 2 feet behind them and hope that they’ll just realise how sexy you are.
Noel, that looks fantastic mate. Next time I’m out with my mate (who is camp as anything, so even though he’s not PUA would be up for looking like a tit) I’m definitely trying that as well.
Gabriel
I think this is a great followup to Pure’s post on “dancing to EXRESS, not to IMPRESS.” It’s funny how the insecurity/validation loop is valid for both guys and girls.
Great tips on how to approach the “lesbos.”
Make eye contact, and smile. The simplicity of it is beautiful.
It seems to be me that there are a number of ‘impossible’ scenarios to open, and this post has just opened up my eyes to what is possible in one ‘impossible’ situation.
The advice is also relevant in strip club game too, acting as if you’ve seen this kind of performance from girls many times before is certainly the mindset to take into a strip club.
As Mystery says- ‘The pickup artist is the exception to the rule’ and Kezia shows how to be the exception.
btw I definetly reccommend checking out the link Noel refers to in his comment, apart from anything it’s just cool to watch!
um, this girls for real, nice to get an honest non-fluff post from a girl and follow up by noel and ashley. and thanks kezia for the for the reminder that effective negs arent just negative, but have a bit of construct to em to.
word of concern and questions to ash and noel. i think the ‘clown’ approach is great for gettin in, but noel, how do those nights and numbers usually end up?
i ask because i’ve def pulled the captain smiles game before, and its great for breaking a set, but lots of times its stuck a ‘jokey sidekick’ stigma on me for the rest of the night and now im careful with it.
i honestly do want to know how those nights end up, because if you can get the sets to close after that, i want to know how you push through it.
Well generally me and my friend are successfull. To be honest I haven’t thought about I get the close, quite natural on the floor.
I guess we isolate the girls. Sometimes me and one of the girls will dance off against my wing and the other girl. This way we can sexually escalte the girl, and this way we get the girls competing against each other. I have had full conversations with girls on the dance floor after we have done our move because we have sparked off a huge interest and Picked her up normally, man to be honest, try the move, its gold!lol
This method isn’t a “clown” method. We are standing out in the crowd because all the other guys are afraid to approach, we are gaining social status also dancing with the girls everyones afraid off. We are high energy guys.
Can I ask a question? What makes you think sometimes girl’s perceivce you as the “joky sidekick” sometimes?
This is classic textbook tactics with women in clubs :)
I find it quite amusing how some women have to look for male validation that they’re hot in order to get an ego boost.
The classic tactic is the ‘free drinks’ she receives from countless men in order to grab her attention. While most men who are inexperienced with game will see it as gentlemanly, women see it as desperate. Some women can be heartless and deliberately flirt with a guy in order to ‘con’ a man into thinking shes into him by making him buy her things like meals and drinks, only to then lose interest a day after, or in the case of a club, walk away to her pack of female cubs :P
Very insecure behaviour i have to say. But having an understanding of it when going clubbing becomes powerful, ‘cos it means you can see it a mile away and realise that despite seeing these hot girls in action, they’re actually very ‘low value’ individuals since they’re seeking approval. A high value and secure person won’t need it.
Bare that in mind guys :)
One last thing i forgot to add guys,
Be very careful of gold diggers. They often hang out in high class venues in order to seek out a rich guy to shower them with gifts and meals in return for sexual needs. This is very common.
How these types of girls achieve this is by qualifying us with questions like what we do for a living and what car we drive…
The best way to overcome this is to deliberately poke fun of her ‘high maintenance behaviour’ by exaggerating the things she expects to hear…
“I’m the son of Gazillionaire oil tycoon in a small farm in Wales”
What car do i drive?…
“A Vauxhall Corsa gallardo Spyder Twin turbo with manual side mirrors”
Not only is this fun, but it makes it clear to a woman that you know the type of girl she is and aren’t afraid to poke fun at her and have fun in the process. She will not expect this as most guys will try and live up to her expectations… :)
Key thing guys, is to be Unique. Be yourself and be proud of who you are and what you do… That’s high value in itself.
LOL jajaja, that is great, great stuff, i love this post, since i actually do see a lot of this on the clubs around here, so im thinking im gonna use this a lot, specially the “I have this friends that do this exact thing, is great you are doing it for free” LOL, all the others are great too, and i gotta admit, i´ve always been kinda proud of myself since i tend to try standing up from the crowd, but when i started to read your post and put myself in that situation i was like “man, what should i do there?” your answers are extraordinary, i think kinda risky since you gotta calibrate them to not be seemed as rude as you said, but you also posted very good advice on this, really im trying this as fast as posible, i´ll let you know how is it going.
I also came up with something alike, what do you think of:
“Hey guys, im doing a contest that you could go in, is called “fake-lesbian dancers for a dream, wanna join, i could train you since you have some little flaws, but you are doing fine anyway” LOL
POKER
Great post Kezia, obviously something that many guys have seen time and time again. I used to work with a super hot alpha female who would pole-dance every time we went out in any venue (and even on the bus or tube!). All the guys would stand around drooling while all the other girls would look like they wanted to kill her! She admitted to me that she simply ‘liked the attention’. On the surface she seemed very confident to everyone but as Kezia says such behaviour is born from insecurity. Knowing this helps to stop the drooling! I used to be completely indifferent to all this, and guess who she wanted to get it on with?!
I recently had a one-to-one with Kezia and she really is awesome! I learnt loads about why girls behave the way they do. Getting her perspective on women and on yourself and what you’re doing wrong is gold. Apparently I have very good body language but speak too fast, have a weak frame and ask too many questions! I’m working on it!
Poker, something else I learned from Kezia…if you are worried about being perceived as being rude when using those lines then you’re attitude may be wrong. You should not care less how they take it, it shows strength.
Going on from my ‘be the exception to the rule’ comment. I think it’s so important to understand the female mind. I know a lot of PUA material is focused on understanding yourself- which is totally important, but think about it- if we’re going out to try and attract women then surely we need to know how they think and operate in order to break into their world.
Being able to demonstrate an understanding of their actions and methods will increase our chances because they won’t see us as so threatening and elusive to them. There is no need to start viewing them as an alien species though, but just take a bit of time to analyse their actions and their world and I think it will help your general understanding of the dynamic of the situation.
Just to add to what Onder said:
I find that when I’m in what I would consider to be “perfect state”, I find that I get in a really great mood, and all my attatchments to the judgements of others melt away. I become very playful, and start taking the piss out of everything, including myself. I do this in a manner where I am amusing myself before others.
During this state, all my jokes hit home; I become unphased by high-value women, because I feel that they can’t add anything to the great state I’m alredy in. So I take the piss with them in a cheeky way, and they have to work hard for my validation.
I find the key is just to have fun – amuse yourself first, and others will buy into your reality.