Comments on: Communication – Dealing with Resistance by Flipping Buts http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/ The Most Active Pick Up Artist Seduction Blog on the Planet Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:33:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joker http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-910 Joker Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:09:26 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-910 Dexterity is right on the mark. Something we've both found after previous NLP events is that just by talking about your experiences with NLP, you can easily get into deeper conversations, and get good rapport with people. You're genuinely interested in what you're telling the person, so they can't help but become more interested in you. I've approached women and talked with them specifically about NLP, demonstrated some, and then continued the seduction into other areas DESPITE them knowing I've just used those ideas on them. For me, this really reinforced the idea that the way you do things in a seduction is more important than what you do. Dexterity is right on the mark. Something we’ve both found after previous NLP events is that just by talking about your experiences with NLP, you can easily get into deeper conversations, and get good rapport with people. You’re genuinely interested in what you’re telling the person, so they can’t help but become more interested in you.

I’ve approached women and talked with them specifically about NLP, demonstrated some, and then continued the seduction into other areas DESPITE them knowing I’ve just used those ideas on them.

For me, this really reinforced the idea that the way you do things in a seduction is more important than what you do.

]]> By: Richard http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-614 Richard Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:43:32 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-614 Hey Ben, Glad you got the joke! Im really excited about the release of the DVD. As I have said in some comments on other posts, my opinion on NLP is divided. I do accept that NLP has some fascinating ideas but sometimes I feel that some of the theories are too overrated. I'm looking forward to seeing your take on it though, and especially in regards of story-telling and persuasion. Richard Hey Ben,

Glad you got the joke! Im really excited about the release of the DVD. As I have said in some comments on other posts, my opinion on NLP is divided. I do accept that NLP has some fascinating ideas but sometimes I feel that some of the theories are too overrated.

I’m looking forward to seeing your take on it though, and especially in regards of story-telling and persuasion.

Richard

]]> By: Antonio "Poker" http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-586 Antonio "Poker" Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:11:59 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-586 Dex, that should had been funny, is really great when you take an opener, a routine or some stuff that had been used over and over again, and you make it yours by twisting it a little, that is really refreshing and i think that reflexes to the target. POKER Dex, that should had been funny, is really great when you take an opener, a routine or some stuff that had been used over and over again, and you make it yours by twisting it a little, that is really refreshing and i think that reflexes to the target.

POKER

]]> By: Dexterity http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-582 Dexterity Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:28:12 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-582 As a side note, this became a rather humorous opener when me and some of the other students went out sarging on the saturday night. PUA: 'Hey guys, has anyone ever done a "but flip" on you?' HB: confused 'No??' PUA: 'Well, a friend of mine was telling us earlier about this concept of ffliping peoples buts back, what you dois...' It leads nicely into convesations on NLP, psychology, etc. Dex As a side note, this became a rather humorous opener when me and some of the other students went out sarging on the saturday night.

PUA: ‘Hey guys, has anyone ever done a “but flip” on you?’

HB: confused ‘No??’

PUA: ‘Well, a friend of mine was telling us earlier about this concept of ffliping peoples buts back, what you dois…’

It leads nicely into convesations on NLP, psychology, etc.

Dex

]]> By: Antonio "Poker" http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-515 Antonio "Poker" Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:51:32 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-515 I had never noticed how much i used this, it was on an unconcious level, but i kinda did, like i told you before in another post i worked in sales as a linner, so my work was to debate objectios, and i was flipping buts all the time, i just didn´t noticed, or at least i didn´t in game matters, since you had said everything important on this, i just wanna share that this tactic could be used in other ways, at least the main idea, not necessarely you have to use phrases where the HB uses "but", for example, sometimes it happens that the set is not too solid, and the Hb, tends to want to keep in contact but she puts a barrier or something by telling you she is gonna give you her e-mail instead of her phone number, you should act like this have a lot of sence, but then you give a solution with even more sense, for example: HB:mmm... what if i give you my e-mail? Poker: Oh, so we could chat and then you would give me your phone right? HB: Sure! Poker: I have a better idea then, give me your phone, im gonna write you a text message and you answer it to me with your e-mail, how about that? HB: Great, let´s do that! And then, you take the number, you already observed that the set is not too solid so you work on the attraction and rapport a little bit more, well... you know what to do from there... take care guys! POKER I had never noticed how much i used this, it was on an unconcious level, but i kinda did, like i told you before in another post i worked in sales as a linner, so my work was to debate objectios, and i was flipping buts all the time, i just didn´t noticed, or at least i didn´t in game matters, since you had said everything important on this, i just wanna share that this tactic could be used in other ways, at least the main idea, not necessarely you have to use phrases where the HB uses “but”, for example, sometimes it happens that the set is not too solid, and the Hb, tends to want to keep in contact but she puts a barrier or something by telling you she is gonna give you her e-mail instead of her phone number, you should act like this have a lot of sence, but then you give a solution with even more sense, for example:

HB:mmm… what if i give you my e-mail?

Poker: Oh, so we could chat and then you would give me your phone right?

HB: Sure!

Poker: I have a better idea then, give me your phone, im gonna write you a text message and you answer it to me with your e-mail, how about that?

HB: Great, let´s do that!

And then, you take the number, you already observed that the set is not too solid so you work on the attraction and rapport a little bit more, well… you know what to do from there… take care guys!

POKER

]]> By: Onder http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-504 Onder Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:25:47 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-504 OMG! This is an amazing thing to use. I had a situation with a girl i was talking with last night and invited her round to my place and she said how she was on the bus on her way home and would like to come but is too tired... This trick would have been brilliant to use :) "So you're too tired but you would like to come round... awesome, be round for about 8, i'm getting the snacks ready so don't be late"....lol Man, it's such a shame i got this now and not 2 days ago when i needed it... Definitely next time though ;) OMG!

This is an amazing thing to use. I had a situation with a girl i was talking with last night and invited her round to my place and she said how she was on the bus on her way home and would like to come but is too tired…

This trick would have been brilliant to use :)

“So you’re too tired but you would like to come round… awesome, be round for about 8, i’m getting the snacks ready so don’t be late”….lol

Man, it’s such a shame i got this now and not 2 days ago when i needed it… Definitely next time though ;)

]]> By: JonDoe http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-499 JonDoe Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:53:37 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-499 Hey guys, NLP is a great tool. Ben shows just how great with such a simple example. When you start to understand how humans are linguistically programmed a whole new world opens up. I started using NLP about a year ago -- on a very small scale -- to influence the direction of discussions. It's great to know that you can change the whole mood by just reversing the negativity. You can add to Bens example by using a technique that offers people two different choices that lead to the same outcome. For example, if a girl was showing last resistance you could say: "We can go to bed now, or if you like we could have a shower first". This may seem like a crude example -- it is certainly not the best. However, it does show the point I am trying to make. The human brain concentrated on the two options and doesn't consider any other possible alternatives. I have used the above example to good effect, but don't be that direct! It's important to remember that girls dislike direct or language that seems confrontational. Keep your language image based when moving into the double questions. Hope this helps guys, Jonathan. Hey guys,

NLP is a great tool. Ben shows just how great with such a simple example. When you start to understand how humans are linguistically programmed a whole new world opens up.

I started using NLP about a year ago — on a very small scale — to influence the direction of discussions. It’s great to know that you can change the whole mood by just reversing the negativity.

You can add to Bens example by using a technique that offers people two different choices that lead to the same outcome. For example, if a girl was showing last resistance you could say:

“We can go to bed now, or if you like we could have a shower first”.

This may seem like a crude example — it is certainly not the best. However, it does show the point I am trying to make. The human brain concentrated on the two options and doesn’t consider any other possible alternatives. I have used the above example to good effect, but don’t be that direct!

It’s important to remember that girls dislike direct or language that seems confrontational. Keep your language image based when moving into the double questions.

Hope this helps guys,
Jonathan.

]]> By: ethnic indulgence http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-487 ethnic indulgence Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:04:52 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-487 man, great fresh post! it seams like advice that could be immediately applied and tested. it sounds like its branching from rob cialini's business on the use of "because", how a because statement always justifies its precedents no matter what it is(i.e. "it makes sense to come over BECAUSE all your friends want to leave anyways) except its been reversed. nice. man, great fresh post! it seams like advice that could be immediately applied and tested.

it sounds like its branching from rob cialini’s business on the use of “because”, how a because statement always justifies its precedents no matter what it is(i.e. “it makes sense to come over BECAUSE all your friends want to leave anyways)

except its been reversed. nice.

]]> By: NLP Ben http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-480 NLP Ben Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:29:57 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-480 Hey Richard, I like your sense of humour! So you said it's an interesting post BUT you'd like to hear more of the stuff that comes out of the NLP weekends........ well....... some good news, we actually just filmed the entire weekend and it's being edited into a DVD set that will be available at some point soon. Hey Richard, I like your sense of humour!

So you said it’s an interesting post BUT you’d like to hear more of the stuff that comes out of the NLP weekends…….. well……. some good news, we actually just filmed the entire weekend and it’s being edited into a DVD set that will be available at some point soon.

]]> By: Richard http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008/09/nlp-and-communication-dealing-with-resistance-by-flipping-buts/#comment-478 Richard Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:23:33 +0000 http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/?p=569#comment-478 Would be nice to hear more of the stuff that comes out of these NLP weekends, but it's a really interesting post. Would be nice to hear more of the stuff that comes out of these NLP weekends, but it’s a really interesting post.

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