Archive for February, 2009

I try not to use my pick up knowledge for evil or manipulative ways, just as I don’t teach unethical things. However there are times when it’s OK or when someone has it coming to them. This also shows how what we are really studying is advanced social psychology that can be useful in more areas then just picking up women.

Last night I get a phone call from one of my close female friends who is truly upset with her ex. He’s royally screwed her over in the past but keeps trying to bring her back and unfortunately, like most typical women, she keeps falling for it. She knows what I do, and asked if there’s some way we can make this guy pay, since she’s not the only girl he’s been doing this to. After some convincing on her part I agree and for the first time make it a mission to take down a natural.

That night he was having a get together which my friend (we’ll call her HBRed for her red hair) was invited to. I decide this will be the perfect place to take him down. Now it needs to be realized that this guy is a natural frat boy having a small house party, so I’m essentially walking into his social proof trap which means he’ll have tons of value there. In order to beat this I find 6 girls to bring along at the last minute to make sure I’m the most preselected person at the party. Sure it might be his place but in actuality now I’m the one bringing the party. His place is also reaaaally nice. The party took place in the backyard which had a mini waterfall, a pool and ping pong table, a full set circular bar, a pool with a rock cave on one end, a trampoline, and for good measure they had a bonfire going.

When we arrive I assess the situation and see that other then my girls there’s only 3 others there (one of which I know). There’s about 5 guys who seem extremely loyal to the natural (fraternity bond) and all try and ignore me or pretend I’m not there. The natural was a very good looking guy who was only wearing a motorcycle jacket letting his abs stick out 300 spartan style.

Introductions are made and I begin to make sure that he sees how me and HBRed have a little extra kino then people who are “just friends” would have but at the same time not enough to be certain…the idea was he could only guess the entire time. My other girls begin chilling around me and two groups visibly form, mine and his. I decide to bring my girls onto the trampoline so that we’d have the most fun. He then comes on to try and impress us with being able to do front flips where I then say “Hey lets get drinks” and leave him and his boy on the trampoline while me and every girl gets off.

Psych: 1
Natural:0

While getting drinks he then suggests that we play beer pong so I say “Nah a better game would be flip cup since we can all play at once”. All the girls agree so flip cup begins. I’m basically setting the frame here that I’m gonna lead the interaction of this party and not him, though he’ll continously try.

Psych: 2
Natural: 0

After the game we just all begin drinking normally and dancing. I make sure to dance with every girl I brought and play the preselection factor for everything it’s worth, the point is to show him that HBRed brought a high value guy to this party that he can’t compete with. Obviously I gave some special attention to HBRed which he then countered by trying to run a jealousy plotline by dancing with one of the other 3 girls.

To counter that I sent in 2 of the girls I brought to go and befriend the other girls (which was EXTREMELY difficult, more so then I thought, because the other girls began being catty since they weren’t the center of attention anymore). So the 3 other girls were pretty much under his thumb along with his boys…keeping the other girls compliant to him was as much game as he was able to pull off so it’ll be the only point I give him.

Psych: 2
Natural: 1

I then come up with an idea and took HBRed along with my FB (HBFB I guess) to the cave to just sit by the pool and chill. The natural comes over to try an AMOG us saying “The rule is you’re only allowed in the cave if you’re having s%x guys, sorry!” So I yelled back “No problem here then!” and began acting like we were having a 3sum. He mumbled something about “Yea did it for you bro…” and then just walked away.

Psych: 3
Natural: 1

Meanwhile the girls I brought played their part extremely well and weren’t dancing with any of the guys other then me. They’d either dance with each other or by themselves. I decide to go and join them with HBRed and let her dance with the girls while I danced with another one I brought (we’ll call her HBBlonde). Now this natural did something next which I have to admit takes serious confidence and balls. While I’m dancing with HBBlonde he comes up to us and says “Hey bro you don’t mind if I cut in right?”. I was actually pretty taken aback by that and kind of shrugged and put my hands up…however HBBlonde came out with the comment of the night.

HBBlonde: “I don’t dance to this type of music sorry…”

She then immediately began grinding on me! His reaction was priceless and he could only stammer out “Oh…uh…yea…all you bro.” This was only the second time I met HBBlonde but because of the dynamics we were in I began seeing serious attraction from her and definately plan to game her in the future. Figured that was a nice little bonus for me!

Psych: 4
Natural: 1

At this point I tell HBRed to go have alone time with the natural, so they begin talking (I find out later it was all about me and him asking what the deal is). When I see him seriously invested and into the conversation I call HBRed over and steal her away from him frusterating him even more.

Psych: 5
Natural: 1

Once I stole her away I isolate her BEHIND the cave where noone can see and chill there with her for 10 minutes straight just talking. The entire time I was told the natural was freaking out since he had no idea what we were doing. Just for good measure before we came back I made sure to ruffle HBRed’s hair.

Psych: 6
Natural: 1

It pretty much went on this way for the entire party…he trys to do a cool stripper dance to impress the girls so we all look away being uninterested…he sends one of his boys in to game one of my girls and she gives him a fake number…we also repeatedly have him take pictures of me, HBRed, and all our girls just so we can put him in a more beta role. It literally just went on and on.

Eventually I felt it was time to just end it since he was to “alpha” to actually chase or allow himself to look chodey in front of us. Instead he settled for staying in the outside bar with his boys just drinking and being moody. I tell all the girls it’s time to leave and as one we head out. Before I go though…

Psych: “Hey man it was cool meeting you”
Natural: “Yea you to bro, keep raging”
Psych: “Keep what?”
Natural: “Raging”
Psych: “Raving?…”
Natural: “No RAGING man…raging.”
Psych: “Oh…um alright”

Then immediately left him and headed back to the cars.

Psych: 1,456,257
Natural: 1

The best part was filing into a car with 6 girls to grab some food and HBBlonde asking me to put my arms around her to keep her warm since I was “toasty”. Everyone had an amazing time and I realized when you have preselection and social proof you don’t NEED to DHV, try and create attraction, or even use frame control to keep the mentality that you’re the prize. Reason is because you ARE the prize having tons of girls fighting over your attention and time. This is why I stress so much to everyone in the community to develop female social circles and have an actual abundance of women in your life. Every major PUA does it from AFC Adam to Mystery and Style. This is the future of the community gentleman.

GO DIRECT, NOT SLEAZY – READ ON

I get a lot of questions about going direct and more sexual but not wanting to come across as sleazy. I was actually talking to a student about this today so let’s look at what sleazy is?

I use to say ‘escalating aggressively without trust or sufficient invitation.’ Now this is true to an extent but I know many guys who treat everything as an IOI regardless and don’t wait for an invitation but create an invite (forcing IOI’s/leading etc)

The main thing I have researched is this area (from friends, female trainers and ‘real’ people ;-) is…….

If a guy says “Hey you’re hot, I’ve got to find my friends but I’ll find you later okay” in a confident, direct but non-approval seeking way, then it can be very powerful. This is someone who is sexually confident and knows what he want but is not doing it to impress or ‘get her to like me’ it is just a fact. You’re hot; I want to get to know you. In fact the frame is ‘I don’t want you to agree or not, I don’t even care if you agree or not (stops a long complimenting milking session as girls often do with a slight compliment, they milk it) it is just my opinion and therefore as far as I am concerned a fact.

This is hard to demonstrate on a post as you really need to hear how it is said but I will do my best…….

However some guys would go about it differently and say “Hey babe, you know what, you’re hooooooot. I got to go find my friends but I’ll find you later okay?” “Erm……NO” They try to be over confident and don’t have true conviction and belief in what they are saying. They are trying to be direct and cool but it comes across as cheesy and sleazy because their frame in not strong enough to be so direct. Also, as my good friend Tom would say ‘if it is a lie, then why are you saying it?’ Only give compliments on something that has caught your eye.

Now I know a very ‘sleazy’ public school ‘rar rar’ posh boy who is (imagine the most Lesley Phillips style delivery/’Carry On’ films) constantly saying ‘darling, how wonderful your hair is, let’s do brunch at my place’ and over kino’s touching them up. Every guy calls him sleazy but women……. love it. Now I am not saying he is a good example but it is interesting. He gets away with it for one reason. He does not apologise and has conviction. He makes no apology for hitting on women and wanting to get them into bed. He is actually very open and honest. Women say he is funny and silly where guys say he is a slime ball. He has conviction though as being honest is very powerful and attractive. A man who is not scared of the truth is a strong man; it is up to you how much you want to spin the truth though. I also know Latino guys who are very direct, escalate too fast and are constantly pulling the trigger too early by British guy’s standards. However………..they do very well!

Now to guys they seem sleazy but to women they are sexual, because they are sexually confident and have conviction in their sexuality and have alpha presence with no apology.

Sometimes guys are being sleazy, however sometimes they are just escalating fast, are direct and are sexually confident so come across as sleazy to those who are slightly more reserved.

Sometimes I have seen it where a guy k-closes a drunken girl on the dance floor and takes advantage but the girl always gets buyer’s remorse and it goes nowhere. Some guys feel intimated by the so called ‘alphas.’ In fact if a club is full of sleazy guys that will help you as you will stand out. The girl might have a bigger bitch shield up (so give her time to realise you are not like that) but she will welcome a fun, genuine guy that treats her well.

Just remember it is a fine line between being sexual and sleazy and judge it by the results the guys get appose to how they are described by other men. If a guy wants to go direct just make sure you have the frame to back it up.

Stay well

Sweeney

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